Out for a Drive

High perch cartoonNicola here, fresh back from a trip to North Devon and the National Carriage Museum at Arlington Court. I’ve always wanted to visit the carriage museum because although I have read a lot about 18th and 19th century carriages, and seen lots of pictures, nothing compares with the experience of seeing a carriage or riding in one. The other reason I wanted to go to Arlington is because of the connection to Ashdown House, as the Craven State Chariot is one of the stars of their collection. So here, for those of you who also have a love of elegant carriages (and fast cars!) is a quick run down of the main types of early to mid 19th century carriage in the collection and how they compare to today’s vehicles, with thanks to the National Trust at Arlington for providing me with extra information and photos. If you want to see larger versions of the pictures you can click on them for a bigger image.

The state coach or state chariot

At the top of the pile as far as carriages were concerned was the state coach or state chariot. This was
Rolls royce used only by the nobility. Frank Huggett in Carriages at Eight comments that in the 19th century, wealthy aristocrats needed seven or eight carriages to preserve their distinction from the rising middle class and provide a suitable carriage for every aspect of their social life.
The state coach was used for important occasions such as the state opening of parliament or society weddings and grand occasions. This is the equivalent of the Rolls Royce with chauffeur.

The state coach could carry four passengers in the body, the chariot two. These coaches would be pulled by a pair of horses and driven by a coachman. Two footmen would stand on the footman’s
Craven State carriagecushion, the padded platform behind the body of the coach. A state coach or chariot would have exceptionally fine decoration. The Craven chariot (pictured), for example, has silver-plated axle caps, a
silver plated family crest and other carriage “furniture.” It also has a
Carriage detail sumptuous blue damask interior. For formal occasions the coachman wore full livery with powdered wig, tricorn hat, braided livery coat, white plush breeches, white silk stockings and silver-buckled shoes. The footmen wore similar livery except that they wore bicorn or cocked hats. The Cravens also had the ultimate carriage decoration of “matching footmen,” identical twins who rode on the back. The footmen carried silver topped staves known as wands, which were used to keep the crowds at bay. They were expected to keep completely motionless except when needed for crowd control!
The Craven state chariot was absolutely gorgeous inside, the last word in elegance and comfort. That said it was also very cosy. I had imagined that there would be more space. However if one wanted an intimate chat on the way to the state opening of parliament then it would be just the thing!

The Barouche

Barouche2The barouche was the equivalent of the family car, albeit a very plush family car. The barouche could hold four passengers and it is mentioned a number of times in the writing of Jane Austen as the type of vehicle owned by a rich family – the Bertrams of Mansfield Park, for example. It was something to aspire to. Mrs John Dashwood hankered after one in Sense and Sensibility.
Originally known as German Wagons because they were first made in Germany, the early barouches were heavy vehicles. They were also the ultimate in elegance and the chosen vehicle in which to show off in the park.

On a more practical note, though, a travelling barouche was very comfortable for those long journeys
Antrobus travelling chariot between your country estates or even abroad. The travelling barouches needed to be sturdier than the town ones. It could be coachman or postillion-driven and required four horses, with the horses and postillions hired at the inns en route. The team would be changed every ten to twelve miles. If you used postillions they would ride the two nearside horses and a footman rode on the hind boot – the rumble seat – and it was his responsibility to apply the brake when travelling down hill. It was in a travelling barouche or travelling chariot that the young sprigs of nobility made the Grand Tour of Europe in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.

Antrobus interiorThis particular travelling chariot (above) belonged to Gibbs Crawford Antrobus who used it in his career as a diplomat. He was a junior secretary under Lord Castelreagh at the Congress of Vienna in 1814-1815 and subsequently Envoy Extraordinary and State Plenipotentiary for George IV to the kingdom of the two Sicilies. Isn't it gorgeously plush inside!

Many travelling barouches contained a “dormeuse boot” (which my auto correct
Dormeuse changed to dormouse boot) with panels inside the coach that would fold down to allow the passengers to stretch their legs at full length in order to sleep (see picture on the right). Even so
it looked pretty cramped and I wouldn’t have fancied trying to sleep in it.

Sword holderOne of the details that I loved
in the travelling chariot was the sword case that was built into the back of the coach and accessible only from inside, a necessary precaution when one was travelling through uncharted or bandit ridden countryside!(pictured).

 The Phaeton

The phaeton was a four-wheeled carriage driven by the owner and never by their
professional coachman. It could be drawn by two or four horses and given its relatively small size I imagine it would be pretty fast with four. The high perch
Phaeton 1 phaeton was very popular at the end of the 18th century and is mentioned a lot in the books of Georgette Heyer, for example, as a fast and fashionable carriage for young men to drive and show off in. However as you get into the 19th century the phaeton became lower, safer and more practical. Lady Catherine De Bourgh drove her own phaeton in Pride and Prejudice. There were bigger, tougher versions of the phaeton that were for the country sportsman rather than for town driving. The Mail Phaeton (so called because it used the same springs that a mail coach did) was built for country driving and was the vehicle of choice of the sporting gentleman – a Land Rover equivalent or SUV.

The name phaeton, is of course derived from Greek mythology, named for Phaeton the son of Helios, the Sun God, who drove his father’s chariot. The horses bolted and almost set fire to the earth before they were stopped, a rather neat metaphor for some of the driving we would surely have seen on the Regency streets had we been there!

The Curricle

FerrariAh, the curricle! The racing car equivalent of the Regency period! There are no curricles in the collection at Arlington, perhaps because they were so light, fast and fashionable that they did not survive. Elegant and with a skeletal structure, curricles were drawn by a pair of horses, the aim being to show off your driving skills and your perfectly matched horses.

One thing I especially loved about Arlington was that it is still a working stables. You can go into the tack room and smell the leather of the harness and watch the carriage horses at work, or take a drive around the estate. You can even take carriage-driving lessons if you really want to get hands on experience.

I hope you have enjoyed this canter through the Arlington carriage collection. For more details on carriage interiors and decoration, check out the excellent blog post by Lesley-Anne McLeod here and to see the Arlington collection click here.

Do you fancy driving your own Regency phaeton or curricle, or would you prefer to travel in a coachman-driven carriage? What about travelling long distances with a dormeuse boot to sleep in? And have you enjoyed any historical romances that feature road trips or fast carriages?

100 thoughts on “Out for a Drive”

  1. I’m so glad you liked them, Nancy. Thank you! Yes, it was great to be able to poke about inside the carriages and talk to the staff about the detail, how to drive them etc. I felt very privileged! It also made me think how important a carriage was as a signifier of social status.

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  2. I’m so glad you liked them, Nancy. Thank you! Yes, it was great to be able to poke about inside the carriages and talk to the staff about the detail, how to drive them etc. I felt very privileged! It also made me think how important a carriage was as a signifier of social status.

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  3. I’m so glad you liked them, Nancy. Thank you! Yes, it was great to be able to poke about inside the carriages and talk to the staff about the detail, how to drive them etc. I felt very privileged! It also made me think how important a carriage was as a signifier of social status.

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  4. I’m so glad you liked them, Nancy. Thank you! Yes, it was great to be able to poke about inside the carriages and talk to the staff about the detail, how to drive them etc. I felt very privileged! It also made me think how important a carriage was as a signifier of social status.

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  5. I’m so glad you liked them, Nancy. Thank you! Yes, it was great to be able to poke about inside the carriages and talk to the staff about the detail, how to drive them etc. I felt very privileged! It also made me think how important a carriage was as a signifier of social status.

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  6. I love the scene where Willoughby picks up Marianne in his yellow phaeton for a ride, in Emma Thompson’s version of Sense and Sensibility. I find it fascinating that anyone could race in one and survive. It makes my palms sweat to even think about climbing up in one, esp. since I don’t do well with heights. Thanks for the interesting info.

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  7. I love the scene where Willoughby picks up Marianne in his yellow phaeton for a ride, in Emma Thompson’s version of Sense and Sensibility. I find it fascinating that anyone could race in one and survive. It makes my palms sweat to even think about climbing up in one, esp. since I don’t do well with heights. Thanks for the interesting info.

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  8. I love the scene where Willoughby picks up Marianne in his yellow phaeton for a ride, in Emma Thompson’s version of Sense and Sensibility. I find it fascinating that anyone could race in one and survive. It makes my palms sweat to even think about climbing up in one, esp. since I don’t do well with heights. Thanks for the interesting info.

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  9. I love the scene where Willoughby picks up Marianne in his yellow phaeton for a ride, in Emma Thompson’s version of Sense and Sensibility. I find it fascinating that anyone could race in one and survive. It makes my palms sweat to even think about climbing up in one, esp. since I don’t do well with heights. Thanks for the interesting info.

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  10. I love the scene where Willoughby picks up Marianne in his yellow phaeton for a ride, in Emma Thompson’s version of Sense and Sensibility. I find it fascinating that anyone could race in one and survive. It makes my palms sweat to even think about climbing up in one, esp. since I don’t do well with heights. Thanks for the interesting info.

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  11. Everything I knew about Regency carriages (before I read this blog) I learnt from reading Georgette Heyer! She was very accurate, wasn’t she.
    Incidentally, it was Miss de Bourgh, Lady Catherine’s daughter, who drove her own phaeton. I suspect Lady C preferred the pomp of a barouche day to day, although she visited Lizzie in a chaise and four.
    You may like the following: “…a remarkable book by a London carriage-builder of Austen’s time. His name was William Felton, and he wrote a three-volume description of carriages and carriage building called A Treatise on Carriages. It was described recently as “the most comprehensive and definitive work on design and construction of elegant carriages.”” (source: http://www.jasnanorcal.org/ink9.html)

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  12. Everything I knew about Regency carriages (before I read this blog) I learnt from reading Georgette Heyer! She was very accurate, wasn’t she.
    Incidentally, it was Miss de Bourgh, Lady Catherine’s daughter, who drove her own phaeton. I suspect Lady C preferred the pomp of a barouche day to day, although she visited Lizzie in a chaise and four.
    You may like the following: “…a remarkable book by a London carriage-builder of Austen’s time. His name was William Felton, and he wrote a three-volume description of carriages and carriage building called A Treatise on Carriages. It was described recently as “the most comprehensive and definitive work on design and construction of elegant carriages.”” (source: http://www.jasnanorcal.org/ink9.html)

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  13. Everything I knew about Regency carriages (before I read this blog) I learnt from reading Georgette Heyer! She was very accurate, wasn’t she.
    Incidentally, it was Miss de Bourgh, Lady Catherine’s daughter, who drove her own phaeton. I suspect Lady C preferred the pomp of a barouche day to day, although she visited Lizzie in a chaise and four.
    You may like the following: “…a remarkable book by a London carriage-builder of Austen’s time. His name was William Felton, and he wrote a three-volume description of carriages and carriage building called A Treatise on Carriages. It was described recently as “the most comprehensive and definitive work on design and construction of elegant carriages.”” (source: http://www.jasnanorcal.org/ink9.html)

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  14. Everything I knew about Regency carriages (before I read this blog) I learnt from reading Georgette Heyer! She was very accurate, wasn’t she.
    Incidentally, it was Miss de Bourgh, Lady Catherine’s daughter, who drove her own phaeton. I suspect Lady C preferred the pomp of a barouche day to day, although she visited Lizzie in a chaise and four.
    You may like the following: “…a remarkable book by a London carriage-builder of Austen’s time. His name was William Felton, and he wrote a three-volume description of carriages and carriage building called A Treatise on Carriages. It was described recently as “the most comprehensive and definitive work on design and construction of elegant carriages.”” (source: http://www.jasnanorcal.org/ink9.html)

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  15. Everything I knew about Regency carriages (before I read this blog) I learnt from reading Georgette Heyer! She was very accurate, wasn’t she.
    Incidentally, it was Miss de Bourgh, Lady Catherine’s daughter, who drove her own phaeton. I suspect Lady C preferred the pomp of a barouche day to day, although she visited Lizzie in a chaise and four.
    You may like the following: “…a remarkable book by a London carriage-builder of Austen’s time. His name was William Felton, and he wrote a three-volume description of carriages and carriage building called A Treatise on Carriages. It was described recently as “the most comprehensive and definitive work on design and construction of elegant carriages.”” (source: http://www.jasnanorcal.org/ink9.html)

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  16. Sorry, I should also have said how much I enjoyed your post. I’d never heard of the dormouse (as I shall forever call it) before. Could have done with those in the old railways carriages of which these interiors are reminiscent.

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  17. Sorry, I should also have said how much I enjoyed your post. I’d never heard of the dormouse (as I shall forever call it) before. Could have done with those in the old railways carriages of which these interiors are reminiscent.

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  18. Sorry, I should also have said how much I enjoyed your post. I’d never heard of the dormouse (as I shall forever call it) before. Could have done with those in the old railways carriages of which these interiors are reminiscent.

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  19. Sorry, I should also have said how much I enjoyed your post. I’d never heard of the dormouse (as I shall forever call it) before. Could have done with those in the old railways carriages of which these interiors are reminiscent.

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  20. Sorry, I should also have said how much I enjoyed your post. I’d never heard of the dormouse (as I shall forever call it) before. Could have done with those in the old railways carriages of which these interiors are reminiscent.

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  21. I’m with you feeling seasick on the high perch phaeton, Margaret. All that swaying about would be too much for me!
    HJ, I am so pleased you enjoyed the post. I love the idea of a dormouse being curled up asleep in the boot. Yes, it’s a cunning way to facilitate a leg stretch when you are cooped up in an enclosed space!

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  22. I’m with you feeling seasick on the high perch phaeton, Margaret. All that swaying about would be too much for me!
    HJ, I am so pleased you enjoyed the post. I love the idea of a dormouse being curled up asleep in the boot. Yes, it’s a cunning way to facilitate a leg stretch when you are cooped up in an enclosed space!

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  23. I’m with you feeling seasick on the high perch phaeton, Margaret. All that swaying about would be too much for me!
    HJ, I am so pleased you enjoyed the post. I love the idea of a dormouse being curled up asleep in the boot. Yes, it’s a cunning way to facilitate a leg stretch when you are cooped up in an enclosed space!

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  24. I’m with you feeling seasick on the high perch phaeton, Margaret. All that swaying about would be too much for me!
    HJ, I am so pleased you enjoyed the post. I love the idea of a dormouse being curled up asleep in the boot. Yes, it’s a cunning way to facilitate a leg stretch when you are cooped up in an enclosed space!

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  25. I’m with you feeling seasick on the high perch phaeton, Margaret. All that swaying about would be too much for me!
    HJ, I am so pleased you enjoyed the post. I love the idea of a dormouse being curled up asleep in the boot. Yes, it’s a cunning way to facilitate a leg stretch when you are cooped up in an enclosed space!

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  26. We had several Victorian era coaches that I got to learn to drive at the country club I taught riding lessons at in high school. Not entirely the same, but close enough to help when I’m writing. I’d love to ride in a Georgian one though! I’ve seen some great custom features (I love the beds and tables that fold down/out).

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  27. We had several Victorian era coaches that I got to learn to drive at the country club I taught riding lessons at in high school. Not entirely the same, but close enough to help when I’m writing. I’d love to ride in a Georgian one though! I’ve seen some great custom features (I love the beds and tables that fold down/out).

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  28. We had several Victorian era coaches that I got to learn to drive at the country club I taught riding lessons at in high school. Not entirely the same, but close enough to help when I’m writing. I’d love to ride in a Georgian one though! I’ve seen some great custom features (I love the beds and tables that fold down/out).

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  29. We had several Victorian era coaches that I got to learn to drive at the country club I taught riding lessons at in high school. Not entirely the same, but close enough to help when I’m writing. I’d love to ride in a Georgian one though! I’ve seen some great custom features (I love the beds and tables that fold down/out).

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  30. We had several Victorian era coaches that I got to learn to drive at the country club I taught riding lessons at in high school. Not entirely the same, but close enough to help when I’m writing. I’d love to ride in a Georgian one though! I’ve seen some great custom features (I love the beds and tables that fold down/out).

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  31. Wonderful post, Nicola! How I envy you your visit to the museum. I would have loved to have spent a day prowling over those lovely old carriages.
    I learned to drive a pony cart ages ago as a child. And I think I would LOVE to learn how to drive a phaeton! (Says the woman who had to get rid of her muscle car Mustang because she kept getting speeding tickets! Yes, I blame the car. That’s my story and I am sticking with it.)

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  32. Wonderful post, Nicola! How I envy you your visit to the museum. I would have loved to have spent a day prowling over those lovely old carriages.
    I learned to drive a pony cart ages ago as a child. And I think I would LOVE to learn how to drive a phaeton! (Says the woman who had to get rid of her muscle car Mustang because she kept getting speeding tickets! Yes, I blame the car. That’s my story and I am sticking with it.)

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  33. Wonderful post, Nicola! How I envy you your visit to the museum. I would have loved to have spent a day prowling over those lovely old carriages.
    I learned to drive a pony cart ages ago as a child. And I think I would LOVE to learn how to drive a phaeton! (Says the woman who had to get rid of her muscle car Mustang because she kept getting speeding tickets! Yes, I blame the car. That’s my story and I am sticking with it.)

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  34. Wonderful post, Nicola! How I envy you your visit to the museum. I would have loved to have spent a day prowling over those lovely old carriages.
    I learned to drive a pony cart ages ago as a child. And I think I would LOVE to learn how to drive a phaeton! (Says the woman who had to get rid of her muscle car Mustang because she kept getting speeding tickets! Yes, I blame the car. That’s my story and I am sticking with it.)

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  35. Wonderful post, Nicola! How I envy you your visit to the museum. I would have loved to have spent a day prowling over those lovely old carriages.
    I learned to drive a pony cart ages ago as a child. And I think I would LOVE to learn how to drive a phaeton! (Says the woman who had to get rid of her muscle car Mustang because she kept getting speeding tickets! Yes, I blame the car. That’s my story and I am sticking with it.)

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  36. Nicola, as always, I envy your access to all such historical wonders, and as always, I’m so glad you share them with us and include pictures. Thank you!
    Books always describe how plush the hero’s carriage is, but until I saw these pictures I had no idea how plush plush really was. It’s like sitting on a moving sofa.

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  37. Nicola, as always, I envy your access to all such historical wonders, and as always, I’m so glad you share them with us and include pictures. Thank you!
    Books always describe how plush the hero’s carriage is, but until I saw these pictures I had no idea how plush plush really was. It’s like sitting on a moving sofa.

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  38. Nicola, as always, I envy your access to all such historical wonders, and as always, I’m so glad you share them with us and include pictures. Thank you!
    Books always describe how plush the hero’s carriage is, but until I saw these pictures I had no idea how plush plush really was. It’s like sitting on a moving sofa.

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  39. Nicola, as always, I envy your access to all such historical wonders, and as always, I’m so glad you share them with us and include pictures. Thank you!
    Books always describe how plush the hero’s carriage is, but until I saw these pictures I had no idea how plush plush really was. It’s like sitting on a moving sofa.

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  40. Nicola, as always, I envy your access to all such historical wonders, and as always, I’m so glad you share them with us and include pictures. Thank you!
    Books always describe how plush the hero’s carriage is, but until I saw these pictures I had no idea how plush plush really was. It’s like sitting on a moving sofa.

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  41. Thank you for such a clear and well illustrated article, Nicola. It’s really helpful as my WIP hero will soon embark on a journey, disguised as one of those footmen, so the detail you give will be remembered when I write that.
    You convey everything so vividly and the photos are wonderful. That blue and well upholstered interior is so attractive – I’d love to ride in that coach.

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  42. Thank you for such a clear and well illustrated article, Nicola. It’s really helpful as my WIP hero will soon embark on a journey, disguised as one of those footmen, so the detail you give will be remembered when I write that.
    You convey everything so vividly and the photos are wonderful. That blue and well upholstered interior is so attractive – I’d love to ride in that coach.

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  43. Thank you for such a clear and well illustrated article, Nicola. It’s really helpful as my WIP hero will soon embark on a journey, disguised as one of those footmen, so the detail you give will be remembered when I write that.
    You convey everything so vividly and the photos are wonderful. That blue and well upholstered interior is so attractive – I’d love to ride in that coach.

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  44. Thank you for such a clear and well illustrated article, Nicola. It’s really helpful as my WIP hero will soon embark on a journey, disguised as one of those footmen, so the detail you give will be remembered when I write that.
    You convey everything so vividly and the photos are wonderful. That blue and well upholstered interior is so attractive – I’d love to ride in that coach.

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  45. Thank you for such a clear and well illustrated article, Nicola. It’s really helpful as my WIP hero will soon embark on a journey, disguised as one of those footmen, so the detail you give will be remembered when I write that.
    You convey everything so vividly and the photos are wonderful. That blue and well upholstered interior is so attractive – I’d love to ride in that coach.

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  46. Thank you, Keira. I think the really luxurious ones were amazing a great deal more comfortable than I had imagined. Not sure about the curricles though. If they were built light to be so fast I imagine them as swaying all over the place! Very, very elegant though.

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  47. Thank you, Keira. I think the really luxurious ones were amazing a great deal more comfortable than I had imagined. Not sure about the curricles though. If they were built light to be so fast I imagine them as swaying all over the place! Very, very elegant though.

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  48. Thank you, Keira. I think the really luxurious ones were amazing a great deal more comfortable than I had imagined. Not sure about the curricles though. If they were built light to be so fast I imagine them as swaying all over the place! Very, very elegant though.

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  49. Thank you, Keira. I think the really luxurious ones were amazing a great deal more comfortable than I had imagined. Not sure about the curricles though. If they were built light to be so fast I imagine them as swaying all over the place! Very, very elegant though.

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  50. Thank you, Keira. I think the really luxurious ones were amazing a great deal more comfortable than I had imagined. Not sure about the curricles though. If they were built light to be so fast I imagine them as swaying all over the place! Very, very elegant though.

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  51. That blue upholstered interior is so attractive, I’d happily undertake a journey in that coach – but need a suitable toilette to do so. No wonder the ladies dressed in white – it wouldn’t do to clash with the carriage, not when you’re the heroine of the tale….

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  52. That blue upholstered interior is so attractive, I’d happily undertake a journey in that coach – but need a suitable toilette to do so. No wonder the ladies dressed in white – it wouldn’t do to clash with the carriage, not when you’re the heroine of the tale….

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  53. That blue upholstered interior is so attractive, I’d happily undertake a journey in that coach – but need a suitable toilette to do so. No wonder the ladies dressed in white – it wouldn’t do to clash with the carriage, not when you’re the heroine of the tale….

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  54. That blue upholstered interior is so attractive, I’d happily undertake a journey in that coach – but need a suitable toilette to do so. No wonder the ladies dressed in white – it wouldn’t do to clash with the carriage, not when you’re the heroine of the tale….

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  55. That blue upholstered interior is so attractive, I’d happily undertake a journey in that coach – but need a suitable toilette to do so. No wonder the ladies dressed in white – it wouldn’t do to clash with the carriage, not when you’re the heroine of the tale….

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  56. Loved the pictures. I got to see some onld coaches when I was in England, but never was able to visit a museum. I’m so envious! I’d love to see more of that traveling coach.
    The best thing about driving in Germany was that my heavy foot didn’t get me into too much trouble.

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  57. Loved the pictures. I got to see some onld coaches when I was in England, but never was able to visit a museum. I’m so envious! I’d love to see more of that traveling coach.
    The best thing about driving in Germany was that my heavy foot didn’t get me into too much trouble.

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  58. Loved the pictures. I got to see some onld coaches when I was in England, but never was able to visit a museum. I’m so envious! I’d love to see more of that traveling coach.
    The best thing about driving in Germany was that my heavy foot didn’t get me into too much trouble.

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  59. Loved the pictures. I got to see some onld coaches when I was in England, but never was able to visit a museum. I’m so envious! I’d love to see more of that traveling coach.
    The best thing about driving in Germany was that my heavy foot didn’t get me into too much trouble.

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  60. Loved the pictures. I got to see some onld coaches when I was in England, but never was able to visit a museum. I’m so envious! I’d love to see more of that traveling coach.
    The best thing about driving in Germany was that my heavy foot didn’t get me into too much trouble.

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  61. That is a very good point, Beth. It would be important to choose the right gown so that you didn’t simply disappear into the upholstery!
    LOL, Ella! Yes, the Germans have a bit of a reputation for that sort of thing! Glad you liked the pictures. Thank you. I love all the detail that you don’t usually get to see.

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  62. That is a very good point, Beth. It would be important to choose the right gown so that you didn’t simply disappear into the upholstery!
    LOL, Ella! Yes, the Germans have a bit of a reputation for that sort of thing! Glad you liked the pictures. Thank you. I love all the detail that you don’t usually get to see.

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  63. That is a very good point, Beth. It would be important to choose the right gown so that you didn’t simply disappear into the upholstery!
    LOL, Ella! Yes, the Germans have a bit of a reputation for that sort of thing! Glad you liked the pictures. Thank you. I love all the detail that you don’t usually get to see.

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  64. That is a very good point, Beth. It would be important to choose the right gown so that you didn’t simply disappear into the upholstery!
    LOL, Ella! Yes, the Germans have a bit of a reputation for that sort of thing! Glad you liked the pictures. Thank you. I love all the detail that you don’t usually get to see.

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  65. That is a very good point, Beth. It would be important to choose the right gown so that you didn’t simply disappear into the upholstery!
    LOL, Ella! Yes, the Germans have a bit of a reputation for that sort of thing! Glad you liked the pictures. Thank you. I love all the detail that you don’t usually get to see.

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  66. What happened to the nobs’ vehicles when they were too old, out of style, too battered, or whatever? I have read some novels in which cabmen or livery stables were using nobs’ used coaches but I wonder if some of those coaches were really suitable for such use. If they were recycled, I guess that’s one reason why few survived. It must have been a real treat to see them up close and imagine your characters traveling in them.

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  67. What happened to the nobs’ vehicles when they were too old, out of style, too battered, or whatever? I have read some novels in which cabmen or livery stables were using nobs’ used coaches but I wonder if some of those coaches were really suitable for such use. If they were recycled, I guess that’s one reason why few survived. It must have been a real treat to see them up close and imagine your characters traveling in them.

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  68. What happened to the nobs’ vehicles when they were too old, out of style, too battered, or whatever? I have read some novels in which cabmen or livery stables were using nobs’ used coaches but I wonder if some of those coaches were really suitable for such use. If they were recycled, I guess that’s one reason why few survived. It must have been a real treat to see them up close and imagine your characters traveling in them.

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  69. What happened to the nobs’ vehicles when they were too old, out of style, too battered, or whatever? I have read some novels in which cabmen or livery stables were using nobs’ used coaches but I wonder if some of those coaches were really suitable for such use. If they were recycled, I guess that’s one reason why few survived. It must have been a real treat to see them up close and imagine your characters traveling in them.

    Reply
  70. What happened to the nobs’ vehicles when they were too old, out of style, too battered, or whatever? I have read some novels in which cabmen or livery stables were using nobs’ used coaches but I wonder if some of those coaches were really suitable for such use. If they were recycled, I guess that’s one reason why few survived. It must have been a real treat to see them up close and imagine your characters traveling in them.

    Reply
  71. I think if they were still usable they might be handed down to the servants, Janice, or sold off perhaps. At the museum they told me the problem was usually finding carriages in a good enough state of preservation. Most were too broken down or battered and certainly the fast phaetons and curricles did not wear well!

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  72. I think if they were still usable they might be handed down to the servants, Janice, or sold off perhaps. At the museum they told me the problem was usually finding carriages in a good enough state of preservation. Most were too broken down or battered and certainly the fast phaetons and curricles did not wear well!

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  73. I think if they were still usable they might be handed down to the servants, Janice, or sold off perhaps. At the museum they told me the problem was usually finding carriages in a good enough state of preservation. Most were too broken down or battered and certainly the fast phaetons and curricles did not wear well!

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  74. I think if they were still usable they might be handed down to the servants, Janice, or sold off perhaps. At the museum they told me the problem was usually finding carriages in a good enough state of preservation. Most were too broken down or battered and certainly the fast phaetons and curricles did not wear well!

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  75. I think if they were still usable they might be handed down to the servants, Janice, or sold off perhaps. At the museum they told me the problem was usually finding carriages in a good enough state of preservation. Most were too broken down or battered and certainly the fast phaetons and curricles did not wear well!

    Reply

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